Movie Moan 2015: Episode 4 - I Heard It Was A Bit Rude
Mon, February 23, 2015 Alright, let's get this over with :)
Classic Movie Moan
Phil and Jamie are joined by Matt Thompson, all of whom saw 'Fifty Shades Of Grey', though only one of them saw it on a date. Try and guess which one. And a bonus point if you can figure out which one of the three only made it to the first hour of the movie before becoming comatose. And two bonus points if you can tell us why the line "I'm fifty shades of fucked up" had to be uttered in the film (4:28).
To make us feel manly again, Matt has the scoop, and the script, for 'Mission Impossible 5'. We had this conversation before the recent news about the reshoots but, trust us, it needs them. Based on what Matt tells us, it REALLY needs them (31:30).
Marveling At The Future
Phil and Spencer Perry are joined by special guest, also from the Coming Soon.net family, Mr Edward Douglas as we, though late to the party, ask and answer all the important questions relating surely the biggest piece of entertainment news that will hit this year - Spider-man's entry into the Marvel Cinematic Universe (55:25).
Do we still care about the character? Does the audience care, regardless of the studio that makes the film? Will a secret identity reveal in 'Captain America: Civil War' ruin the series before it starts? What do we want the solo movie to be? What's the title? Should we be pissed off that all those other Phase 3 movies have been delayed? Why did Marvel Studios agree to the deal? Will we have to deal with bloody Symbiotes again?
And we just have time at the end for a special announcement of another video coming your way very shortly on Movie Moan TV (1:44:42).
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Reader Comments (7)
That was a fantastic Spidey discussion! I’m of two minds about the new Spider-Man (presumably) being introduced in CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR. On one hand, it will be very cool to see Iron Man or Captain America sharing screen time with Spidey. But on the other hand, I think the movie might run the risk of being severely overstuffed and disjointed; how can you possibly payoff the continuing Bucky/Winter Soldier storyline (which is purported to be a key element of the movie), setup and exploit all the fantastic dramatic possibilities inherent to a Steve Rogers/Tony Stark conflict, give Falcon and Black Widow - who are both confirmed to be returning - enough business to warrant their inclusion, and introduce Black Panther in a way that positions him as a memorable character that audiences will want to see in his own solo film, all while ALSO debuting the new Spider-Man in an organic way (assuming it’s not just going to be an end credits tag)? That’s an awful lot of stuff to juggle. Marvel Studios hasn’t really let me down yet (not even with THOR: THE DARK WORLD!), so they’ve earned the benefit of the doubt, but I would be nervous about the screenplay’s ability to balance all that stuff in a satisfying way.
Another great show, guys. Fifty Shades of Grey was very tame in my opinion.It's my fault for having my expectations up, but I was hoping for an interesting film about two people in a very sexual relationship. It seems that it's very hard to do a movie where two people meet. Usually we get a cheesy romantic comedy or something that feels false. Either way, it's a missed opportunity because we don't see many women being sexual in studio movies and that's a shame because women do fall in lust just as much as men, they do indulge in one night stands and explicitly sexual relationships. Hopefully some filmmaker watched the movie and decided they want to make the idea interesting.
As far as Spider-Man, I just don't know. I think it's hitting franchise fatigue. It needs a new approach but I'm not sure marvel will be willing to do one. I reMember years ago, David Fincher was considered for the first Spider-Man film. That's the kind of out of the box thinking we unfortunately won't see. Someone on a shh forum suggested Woody Harrelson as Spider-Man. I know it sounds funny but I think it's also genius. Harrelson can play the put upon loveable loser, he's a great actor, and he could give the role some real personality instead of just being a stoic young guy who makes melodramatic statements. I think most of these characters sorely need personality. I saw the DD trailer and the monotone super stoic Murdock dialogue was a letdown. "I've been thinking about ethics. .." if a friend of mine spoke that way, I'd think he just had a stroke. Look at what RDJ has done with iron man. That's what Spider-Man needs first and foremost: an attempt at a character that goes beyond surface quips and exposition. We're on our third time seeing him as a teenager now. A new direction that is even possibly out of sync with the books is the only way to go in my opinion.
There are plenty of places to go with Spidey and plenty of villains for him to face. Cinematically his webslinging/swinging and wall crawling abilities are the most exhilarating and entertaining and the SFX are really getting to the point of capturing that.
So the more Spidey the better! It's a brilliant move by Sony. They get a rebooted Spidey without having to do the reboot themselves and builds good will with fans at a time when they really need it.
Another fun installment though I missed me some Cinematic Comfort Food.
@Brett Blake
All I'll say about the stuffing is that I had those very same concerns about Cap 2 and it works flawlessly. That film has Cap, Black Widow, Falcon, Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Peggy Carter, Sharon Carter, Zola, Crossbones, Batroc, Pierce, Bucky...
'Avengers: Age Of Ultron' is the real litmus test I suppose. Everyone is in that film. I'm in it.
@Phil
That's a great point; they did juggle a lot of moving parts in the second CAP film, and you're definitely right about AGE OF ULTRON having pretty much EVERYBODY showing up in the damn thing. The credits on the (really ugly) new one sheet poster have 17 (!) actors listed, and that's not including Tom Hiddleston, who I believe is also confirmed to have a little cameo (Idris Elba - credited on the poster - said his scene in the movie included Hiddleston). If Marvel pulls that off (or at least makes it not feel cluttered), then I'll have no worries about CIVIL WAR.
@Brett
It looks like the Rogers/Stark conflict is being setup in age of Ultron. As for Bucky, he had very little screentime in Winter Soldier and still made an impact. I'm not gonna waste my Time speculating about how black panther and Spider-Man fit in because I'm usually wrong on these things.
My question is in the context of Civil War, how do you keep spidey from stealing the show? Sure the last film underperformed, but putting him up against Cap or bouncing off Iron Man could easily lead to people counting the minutes until he's on-screen again. That really is the impressive thing about these films all being connected: how ready is Marvel to change on a dime? I.E. if First Avenger had been a failure, how would that have affected Avengers (which I believe was already filming?) I assume the Spider-Man deal has been in the works for awhile so I assume they've planned for this or at least had a backup plan, but the shifted dates shows they have to make some changes.
Btw I enjoyed the Dark World but I'd like a Thor film that doesn't spend a second on Earth. I'm hoping Ragnarok will be a fantasy film that harkens back to movies like Conan.
@Collin
The Spidey question is an interesting one. It's all a question of how the writers structure the story; if it's of a globe-trotting variety (and given Black Panther's inclusion, it's going to have to be to some extent), you'd think it would be hard to have Spider-Man dominating the action, since he's primarily a New York-based hero. So just on a geographic basis, I think his part in the story would be somewhat confined. And I think it's probably okay if he steals the film (i.e. has a lot of fun moments that audiences latch onto) as long as he doesn't hijack the emotional and philosophical focus of the story away from Cap and Iron Man.